Comments on: Because we can – part I – the really mobile web http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/ Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:25:01 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Mark Wilcox http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/#comment-3806 Mark Wilcox Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:25:54 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=1723#comment-3806 Hi Salvador, sorry for the delay getting back to you, I was on vacation. I'll email you privately, however, in general the best place for this sort of question is our developer discussion boards. This forum in particular is ideal for this sort of question: http://developer.symbian.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=31 Hi Salvador, sorry for the delay getting back to you, I was on vacation.

I’ll email you privately, however, in general the best place for this sort of question is our developer discussion boards.

This forum in particular is ideal for this sort of question:
http://developer.symbian.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=31

]]> By: Salvador Almanza http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/#comment-3576 Salvador Almanza Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:33:29 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=1723#comment-3576 Hello, This may not be the proper blog to discuss this topic, but I read Mark's paper about Symbian OS port and I decided to use this blog to post my question. I'm an embedded software engineer and I'm currently working in RTOS evaluation and device driver development. I want to try Symbian OS in an ARM evaluation board and do some driver development and test. However, I don't know how feasible is doing the Symbian port to any evaluation board with ARM architecture processor or MCU and I would like to ask for opinions and directions. Thank you in advance and have a nice day. Salvador A. Hello,

This may not be the proper blog to discuss this topic, but I read Mark’s paper about Symbian OS port and I decided to use this blog to post my question.

I’m an embedded software engineer and I’m currently working in RTOS evaluation and device driver development. I want to try Symbian OS in an ARM evaluation board and do some driver development and test. However, I don’t know how feasible is doing the Symbian port to any evaluation board with ARM architecture processor or MCU and I would like to ask for opinions and directions.

Thank you in advance and have a nice day.
Salvador A.

]]> By: Gurumurty Panku http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/#comment-3160 Gurumurty Panku Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:51:12 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=1723#comment-3160 Yes. It is indeed a great idea to run a PAMP on a phone. Some of the prerequisites are 1. Mobile phones becoming sufficiently powerful. 2. Optimizations performed in PAMP to match the processing power requirements in mobiles. 3. Optimizing the bandwidth requirements of data communications from the mobile. Yes. It is indeed a great idea to run a PAMP on a phone. Some of the prerequisites are

1. Mobile phones becoming sufficiently powerful.
2. Optimizations performed in PAMP to match the processing power requirements in mobiles.
3. Optimizing the bandwidth requirements of data communications from the mobile.

]]> By: Mark Burton http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/#comment-2928 Mark Burton Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:14:18 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=1723#comment-2928 I've played with this. There is definatley something cool waiting to be developed here. Maybe the next big thing. I’ve played with this. There is definatley something cool waiting to be developed here. Maybe the next big thing.

]]> By: Mark Wilcox http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/#comment-2786 Mark Wilcox Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:39:33 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=1723#comment-2786 Did you miss this bit: "In many such cases, commercial or practical considerations are not at the top of a developer’s agenda, we’re just doing it because it’s cool, and because we can!". :) Of course you can manage all of the use cases without a web server, the web server just makes it very easy to do a lot of them and also allows you to manage access control simply. If you've got a use case where you have to ensure 24/7 access to the server then it's probably not a good solution. Then again, I can see people recycling old devices by turning them into portable web cams (plugged into a charger of course) in the future. Did you miss this bit: “In many such cases, commercial or practical considerations are not at the top of a developer’s agenda, we’re just doing it because it’s cool, and because we can!”. :)

Of course you can manage all of the use cases without a web server, the web server just makes it very easy to do a lot of them and also allows you to manage access control simply. If you’ve got a use case where you have to ensure 24/7 access to the server then it’s probably not a good solution. Then again, I can see people recycling old devices by turning them into portable web cams (plugged into a charger of course) in the future.

]]> By: Stringer Bell http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/#comment-2785 Stringer Bell Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:11:16 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=1723#comment-2785 This is ridiculous. None of the use cases require a full blown web server - just TCP/IP. If you are serving a web page, then what happens when you go on the underground? That's not exactly having full control of who sees your data - imagine a secretary trying to manage your diary and not being able to check when you are out of signal. If personal web servers were all the rage, then we would be running them on our PCs. I agree that it is a good demo of how to port software targeted towards linux. And of course apache have modularised their sofware offering as a set of libraries and so things like XML parsers ported in the effort may be of use on other projects. But please - the use cases are tenuous at the moment. This is ridiculous. None of the use cases require a full blown web server – just TCP/IP.
If you are serving a web page, then what happens when you go on the underground? That’s not exactly having full control of who sees your data – imagine a secretary trying to manage your diary and not being able to check when you are out of signal.

If personal web servers were all the rage, then we would be running them on our PCs.

I agree that it is a good demo of how to port software targeted towards linux. And of course apache have modularised their sofware offering as a set of libraries and so things like XML parsers ported in the effort may be of use on other projects. But please – the use cases are tenuous at the moment.

]]> By: mirror2image http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/#comment-2780 mirror2image Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:08:12 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=1723#comment-2780 What I really would like to have is open source mobile mesh network, like in OLPC What I really would like to have is open source mobile mesh network, like in OLPC

]]> By: Mark Wilcox http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/#comment-2758 Mark Wilcox Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:51:03 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=1723#comment-2758 Hi David, It doesn't have to be an either/or thing. For example, there's a Facebook plug-in that automatically updates your status by grabbing some data off of your phone while it runs the mobile web server - no need to update it manually. The problem some people have with entrusting all their data to "the cloud" is privacy. Understandably, some don't trust the likes of Google to look after all of their data and not exploit it in any way. As far as I can tell, Opera Unite another solution to that exact same problem with a very similar concept but a more polished, web 2.0 style implementation. I expect you'll get that option too in due course. Your employer has already released a new version of the browser for S60 5th Edition and selected 3rd Edition FP2 phones which uses WebKit 525 - I beleive that supports some of HTML5 already. :) Mark Hi David,

It doesn’t have to be an either/or thing. For example, there’s a Facebook plug-in that automatically updates your status by grabbing some data off of your phone while it runs the mobile web server – no need to update it manually.

The problem some people have with entrusting all their data to “the cloud” is privacy. Understandably, some don’t trust the likes of Google to look after all of their data and not exploit it in any way. As far as I can tell, Opera Unite another solution to that exact same problem with a very similar concept but a more polished, web 2.0 style implementation. I expect you’ll get that option too in due course.

Your employer has already released a new version of the browser for S60 5th Edition and selected 3rd Edition FP2 phones which uses WebKit 525 – I beleive that supports some of HTML5 already. :)

Mark

]]> By: ARJWright http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/#comment-2757 ARJWright Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:37:35 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=1723#comment-2757 By the way, the MWS stands up to high traffic pretty well. I hosted the 182nd Carnival of the Mobilists and the server fell only once (in the early AM). This is really a good idea for mobile-next. By the way, the MWS stands up to high traffic pretty well. I hosted the 182nd Carnival of the Mobilists and the server fell only once (in the early AM). This is really a good idea for mobile-next.

]]> By: ARJWright http://blog.symbian.org/2009/08/07/because-we-can-part-i-the-really-mobile-web/#comment-2756 ARJWright Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:13:53 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=1723#comment-2756 Great! Now this is the kind of information that I like, and I'm not even a developer. I use the Nokia MWS application to host my personal website and have been doing so for over a year now. This. Is. Cool. Yes, its slower than having a largers sever farm play with things for you. But "you" own your data, and "you" manage who connects to it. So many people choose laziness over ownership today, this is a way to get it back, and have something cool in the process. I'd love to see what others are doing with the MWS. Personally, I've got a new theme on mine that I'm tweaking to make available to others. But seeing things like new applications (an RSS reader), or enhancements to the existing base applications would just be cool. Great! Now this is the kind of information that I like, and I’m not even a developer.

I use the Nokia MWS application to host my personal website and have been doing so for over a year now. This. Is. Cool.

Yes, its slower than having a largers sever farm play with things for you. But “you” own your data, and “you” manage who connects to it. So many people choose laziness over ownership today, this is a way to get it back, and have something cool in the process.

I’d love to see what others are doing with the MWS. Personally, I’ve got a new theme on mine that I’m tweaking to make available to others. But seeing things like new applications (an RSS reader), or enhancements to the existing base applications would just be cool.

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