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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;First among equals&#8217; &#8211; The Samsung i8910HD</title>
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		<title>By: Win Big With Widgets &#8211; Samsung IQ Quest &#171; Symbian Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.symbian.org/2009/05/28/first-among-equals-the-samsung-i8910hd/#comment-2539</link>
		<dc:creator>Win Big With Widgets &#8211; Samsung IQ Quest &#171; Symbian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on July 22, 2009. Filed under: News &#124; Tags: samsung, Samsung IQ Quest &#124;  As the first device to launch since the inception of the Symbian Foundation, the Samsung i8910 HD was always going to be special for us. It’s for this reason that we are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on July 22, 2009. Filed under: News | Tags: samsung, Samsung IQ Quest |  As the first device to launch since the inception of the Symbian Foundation, the Samsung i8910 HD was always going to be special for us. It’s for this reason that we are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Monk</title>
		<link>http://blog.symbian.org/2009/05/28/first-among-equals-the-samsung-i8910hd/#comment-2398</link>
		<dc:creator>Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i got 1, samsung i8910 HD sucks! Samsung should stick to making what they are good at, that camera phones and leave mp3 players come phone to people who can like Apple or Sonyerricson, The music player on their samsung steel has better sound quality than i8910HD, dats some BullS*&quot;&amp;! if u ask me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i got 1, samsung i8910 HD sucks! Samsung should stick to making what they are good at, that camera phones and leave mp3 players come phone to people who can like Apple or Sonyerricson, The music player on their samsung steel has better sound quality than i8910HD, dats some BullS*&#8221;&amp;! if u ask me</p>
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		<title>By: Samsung i8910 has Python in ROM -&#62; TamsS60</title>
		<link>http://blog.symbian.org/2009/05/28/first-among-equals-the-samsung-i8910hd/#comment-2017</link>
		<dc:creator>Samsung i8910 has Python in ROM -&#62; TamsS60</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Philip Northam reports that this has now changed &#8211; his initial post on the Symbian Foundations blog states that the device will include a Python runtime out of the box:  &#8230; The i8910HD is packed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Philip Northam reports that this has now changed &#8211; his initial post on the Symbian Foundations blog states that the device will include a Python runtime out of the box:  &#8230; The i8910HD is packed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jouni Miettunen</title>
		<link>http://blog.symbian.org/2009/05/28/first-among-equals-the-samsung-i8910hd/#comment-1912</link>
		<dc:creator>Jouni Miettunen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 15:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: python.

Didn&#039;t dare to ask, but I was hopeful for a moment. PyS60 pre-installed. Still a dream...

Well, thanx for supporting some other vendor&#039;s runtime project :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: python.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t dare to ask, but I was hopeful for a moment. PyS60 pre-installed. Still a dream&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, thanx for supporting some other vendor&#8217;s runtime project <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Pagonis</title>
		<link>http://blog.symbian.org/2009/05/28/first-among-equals-the-samsung-i8910hd/#comment-1910</link>
		<dc:creator>John Pagonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 10:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the links are:
www.pragmaticomm.com/MobileRuby
developer.symbian.com/main/downloads/papers/Gredia_Ruby.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the links are:<br />
<a href="http://www.pragmaticomm.com/MobileRuby" rel="nofollow">http://www.pragmaticomm.com/MobileRuby</a><br />
developer.symbian.com/main/downloads/papers/Gredia_Ruby.pdf</p>
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		<title>By: John Pagonis</title>
		<link>http://blog.symbian.org/2009/05/28/first-among-equals-the-samsung-i8910hd/#comment-1909</link>
		<dc:creator>John Pagonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 10:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Ruby

Sorry for this plug and thanks Ben for clarifying this, but if people are interested in continuing the Ruby 1.9 effort in terms of developing the VM and libraries for the Samsung OMNIA HD or other handsets as an open source project, then please drop us a line.

Unfortunately things have been very hectic around here, so the latest code for the Ruby 1.9 VM and libs has not been released from Pragmaticomm yet, but we&#039;ll do it in the next couple of weeks here 

In the mean time the SDN article is still here </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Ruby</p>
<p>Sorry for this plug and thanks Ben for clarifying this, but if people are interested in continuing the Ruby 1.9 effort in terms of developing the VM and libraries for the Samsung OMNIA HD or other handsets as an open source project, then please drop us a line.</p>
<p>Unfortunately things have been very hectic around here, so the latest code for the Ruby 1.9 VM and libs has not been released from Pragmaticomm yet, but we&#8217;ll do it in the next couple of weeks here </p>
<p>In the mean time the SDN article is still here</p>
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		<title>By: benm</title>
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		<dc:creator>benm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Moses, I hear you - you don&#039;t like the audio quality on Camcorder on i8910 HD.

So I don&#039;t know whether that&#039;s a bad use case or a TTM tradeoff or a performance trade-off, or simply a missed requirement.

I do know that software is complex and phones are hard, and one way or another most posts on this blog are about those two things, and what we can do as developers, writers, evangelists and whatever else, to shrink the gap between what platforms promise and what they deliver - to manufacturers, operators, developers, and as you rightly point out, end users.

I also know that there are no magic bullets - only dragons. And users :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Moses, I hear you &#8211; you don&#8217;t like the audio quality on Camcorder on i8910 HD.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t know whether that&#8217;s a bad use case or a TTM tradeoff or a performance trade-off, or simply a missed requirement.</p>
<p>I do know that software is complex and phones are hard, and one way or another most posts on this blog are about those two things, and what we can do as developers, writers, evangelists and whatever else, to shrink the gap between what platforms promise and what they deliver &#8211; to manufacturers, operators, developers, and as you rightly point out, end users.</p>
<p>I also know that there are no magic bullets &#8211; only dragons. And users <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Moses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there&#039;s still some excitement out there despite Samsung constantly ignoring the people that matter the most - end users.

Your customers are literally pleading, *begging* you to fix the audio on the i8910 and yet you do nothing. What on Earth is wrong with Samsung? How can such a large company be SO incompetent?

Maybe it&#039;s understandable that the i8910 has poor audio when recording 720p, but D1? VGA? Why?

I have to remember who I&#039;m talking to here. Samsung are notorious for not communicating with their customers so I doubt I&#039;ll get a proper response.

Instead of making stupid viral videos and trying to make yourselves feel better on the Symbian blog,why not spend the money on giving your customers what they _actually_ want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there&#8217;s still some excitement out there despite Samsung constantly ignoring the people that matter the most &#8211; end users.</p>
<p>Your customers are literally pleading, *begging* you to fix the audio on the i8910 and yet you do nothing. What on Earth is wrong with Samsung? How can such a large company be SO incompetent?</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s understandable that the i8910 has poor audio when recording 720p, but D1? VGA? Why?</p>
<p>I have to remember who I&#8217;m talking to here. Samsung are notorious for not communicating with their customers so I doubt I&#8217;ll get a proper response.</p>
<p>Instead of making stupid viral videos and trying to make yourselves feel better on the Symbian blog,why not spend the money on giving your customers what they _actually_ want?</p>
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		<title>By: benm</title>
		<link>http://blog.symbian.org/2009/05/28/first-among-equals-the-samsung-i8910hd/#comment-1897</link>
		<dc:creator>benm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of quick answers and clarifications -

Re OGLE 2.0 see Andrew&#039;s reply above, but yes - that really does mean 2.0.

Re WRT, keep an eye on the Innovator site over the coming days and weeks, i8910 HD supports standard S60 widgets as well as homescreen based Samsung Mobile Widgets. So you can create or upload widgets, dock to the homescreen docking bar, drag off onto the homescreen and run and optionally launch into full screen mode. So this is not quite ythe same as the miniview.

As I say - watch for more info, but if you want to get started, you can do the gruntwork following the S60 standard approach (or just in your browser). On size specifically - any size you like up to 480x640, multi-page supported, with a 65x65 (ish) docking bar icon. One word of warning - the S60 1.1 WRT extensions are NOT supported for homescreen widgets. 

Re Qt, Ruby, Python - we have mispoken - what we mean to say is that all are supported, so any of these runtime versions that are working on S60 from other vendors (cough) should run fine on i8910 HD. But you will need to install. Sorry for the confusion.

Glad to see there&#039;s some excitement out there!

Ben - for Samsung Mobile Innovator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of quick answers and clarifications -</p>
<p>Re OGLE 2.0 see Andrew&#8217;s reply above, but yes &#8211; that really does mean 2.0.</p>
<p>Re WRT, keep an eye on the Innovator site over the coming days and weeks, i8910 HD supports standard S60 widgets as well as homescreen based Samsung Mobile Widgets. So you can create or upload widgets, dock to the homescreen docking bar, drag off onto the homescreen and run and optionally launch into full screen mode. So this is not quite ythe same as the miniview.</p>
<p>As I say &#8211; watch for more info, but if you want to get started, you can do the gruntwork following the S60 standard approach (or just in your browser). On size specifically &#8211; any size you like up to 480&#215;640, multi-page supported, with a 65&#215;65 (ish) docking bar icon. One word of warning &#8211; the S60 1.1 WRT extensions are NOT supported for homescreen widgets. </p>
<p>Re Qt, Ruby, Python &#8211; we have mispoken &#8211; what we mean to say is that all are supported, so any of these runtime versions that are working on S60 from other vendors (cough) should run fine on i8910 HD. But you will need to install. Sorry for the confusion.</p>
<p>Glad to see there&#8217;s some excitement out there!</p>
<p>Ben &#8211; for Samsung Mobile Innovator.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhisek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhisek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 10:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The i8910HD is packed with a host of powerful options: Qt, Python, Ruby and the previously mentioned standard S60 widgets&quot;

But Nokia owns QT and ported it to s60. AFAIK QT for s60 is in &quot;Pre Release&quot; .Or am I wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The i8910HD is packed with a host of powerful options: Qt, Python, Ruby and the previously mentioned standard S60 widgets&#8221;</p>
<p>But Nokia owns QT and ported it to s60. AFAIK QT for s60 is in &#8220;Pre Release&#8221; .Or am I wrong?</p>
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