Comments on: Who wants to join a movement? http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/29/who-wants-to-join-a-movement/ Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:54:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: The Making Of Open Source: Checking In On The Symbian 'Movement' - Pocket.Info - Mobile News - Pocket.Info - Mobile News http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/29/who-wants-to-join-a-movement/#comment-845 The Making Of Open Source: Checking In On The Symbian 'Movement' - Pocket.Info - Mobile News - Pocket.Info - Mobile News Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:49:45 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=589#comment-845 [...] audience members "were unconvinced by the suggestion, or even perturbed by it," he wrote in a blog post. In person, Wood explained they were insulted by the suggestion that he wanted them to be boosters [...] [...] audience members "were unconvinced by the suggestion, or even perturbed by it," he wrote in a blog post. In person, Wood explained they were insulted by the suggestion that he wanted them to be boosters [...]

]]> By: David Wood http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/29/who-wants-to-join-a-movement/#comment-799 David Wood Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:53:29 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=589#comment-799 Hi detronizator, ><i>I can’t see (yet?) the Symbian Foundation as a “movement” in the terms you expressed</i> That's a fair assessment. The emphasis is on the word "<b>yet</b>" ><i>A classic git or svn based repository of code</i> We've chosen Mercurial ><i>A open source based BugTracking system (nothing commercial, please)</i> We've chosen Bugzilla ><i>The concrete possibility for normal, simple, unknown, unemployed passionate developers to submit their patches and get accepted</i> Yes, that's the goal! ><i>Allow people that don’t have Windows to develop for Symbian</i> Definitely! // David W. Hi detronizator,

>I can’t see (yet?) the Symbian Foundation as a “movement” in the terms you expressed

That’s a fair assessment. The emphasis is on the word “yet”

>A classic git or svn based repository of code

We’ve chosen Mercurial

>A open source based BugTracking system (nothing commercial, please)

We’ve chosen Bugzilla

>The concrete possibility for normal, simple, unknown, unemployed passionate developers to submit their patches and get accepted

Yes, that’s the goal!

>Allow people that don’t have Windows to develop for Symbian

Definitely!

// David W.

]]> By: detronizator http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/29/who-wants-to-join-a-movement/#comment-792 detronizator Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:11:00 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=589#comment-792 Hi. I must say that I can't see (yet?) the Symbian Foundation as a "movement" in the terms you expressed, David. Bureaucracy and "Money/Marketing Talking" is always "disliked" by the "big mass of people that can generate a movement". And I don't talk about the big amount of Symbian software developers. I have in mind young/university-fresh dudes. What I think Symbian Foundation should add to the table (and I know is partially already doing so) are: - A classic git or svn based repository of code - A open source based BugTracking system (nothing commercial, please) - The concrete possibility for normal, simple, unknown, unemployed passionate developers to submit their patches and get accepted - Allow people that don't have Windows to developer for Symbian: WINSCW MUST DIE!!! ( :D ) This could be a great start. And, please, never say stuff like "if you are golden, silver or whatever partner, then you can...". Developers hate that. And, again, I must say that looks like all this kind of things is coming pretty soon ;) Hi.
I must say that I can’t see (yet?) the Symbian Foundation as a “movement” in the terms you expressed, David.

Bureaucracy and “Money/Marketing Talking” is always “disliked” by the “big mass of people that can generate a movement”.
And I don’t talk about the big amount of Symbian software developers. I have in mind young/university-fresh dudes.

What I think Symbian Foundation should add to the table (and I know is partially already doing so) are:
- A classic git or svn based repository of code
- A open source based BugTracking system (nothing commercial, please)
- The concrete possibility for normal, simple, unknown, unemployed passionate developers to submit their patches and get accepted
- Allow people that don’t have Windows to developer for Symbian: WINSCW MUST DIE!!! ( :D )

This could be a great start.
And, please, never say stuff like “if you are golden, silver or whatever partner, then you can…”. Developers hate that.

And, again, I must say that looks like all this kind of things is coming pretty soon ;)

]]> By: David Wood http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/29/who-wants-to-join-a-movement/#comment-574 David Wood Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:45:00 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=589#comment-574 Hi Puterman, ><i>which makes this sounds like marketing talk. Well, that shouldn’t be surprising, considering this is the Symbian blog</i> There's nothing intrinsically wrong with "marketing talk", I hope! But I hope that this blog will contain technical and engineering talk from time to time too (as well as pointers to technical and engineering talk). One example is <a href="http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/28/simpler-and-cleaner-code/" rel="nofollow">my previous posting</a>. :-) // David W. Hi Puterman,

>which makes this sounds like marketing talk. Well, that shouldn’t be surprising, considering this is the Symbian blog

There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with “marketing talk”, I hope!

But I hope that this blog will contain technical and engineering talk from time to time too (as well as pointers to technical and engineering talk). One example is my previous posting. :-)

// David W.

]]> By: puterman http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/29/who-wants-to-join-a-movement/#comment-573 puterman Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:32:54 +0000 http://blog.symbian.org/?p=589#comment-573 This reminds me of a wtf experience I had at work some time ago. Management were worried about our time reporting, they didn't think we realized its importance and didn't do a good enough job reporting our time. So they put together a document with guidelines on how to report our time, but for some reason they didn't call them "guidelines" or "rules", they chose to call it "culture". That's a clear misuse of the word culture, which is something that appears spontaneously, not because of a management decision. Ecosystem is a very neutral word, which makes it perfectly fine for descriptive purposes, while both "community" and "movement" have stronger connotations of an ethical, political, aesthetical nature. You want to call it a movement, but you say yourself that you think it will become a movement. By your definition there is no such movement yet, which makes this sounds like marketing talk. Well, that shouldn't be surprising, considering this is the Symbian blog. :) This reminds me of a wtf experience I had at work some time ago. Management were worried about our time reporting, they didn’t think we realized its importance and didn’t do a good enough job reporting our time. So they put together a document with guidelines on how to report our time, but for some reason they didn’t call them “guidelines” or “rules”, they chose to call it “culture”. That’s a clear misuse of the word culture, which is something that appears spontaneously, not because of a management decision.

Ecosystem is a very neutral word, which makes it perfectly fine for descriptive purposes, while both “community” and “movement” have stronger connotations of an ethical, political, aesthetical nature. You want to call it a movement, but you say yourself that you think it will become a movement. By your definition there is no such movement yet, which makes this sounds like marketing talk. Well, that shouldn’t be surprising, considering this is the Symbian blog. :)

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